Look, Ma! “Gravity City” Interviews Larry Brody Part 2

(The magazine cover I should've run with Part 1)

Last year I think it was, Gravity City Digital Magazine‘s Christopher Valin and Artie Cabrera honored me with an interview in the third issue of their mag. And I’m deeply appreciative of this blurb:

“Gravity City asked legendary writer-producer Larry Brody about his storied career in television and other media and got back one of the most entertaining interviews we’ve ever read.”

Gravity City ran this entire 7000+ word article in one issue. Considering blog format problems and such, I’m reprinting it over three separate posts.

Part 1 is HERE

This is Part 2:

larry brody Interview

Christopher J. Valin

What’s your writing process like, and how much is it informed by your own background? Is the “write what you know” maxim important to you?

My writing process began as a magical formula for escaping this world and all its slings, arrows, and personal, cultural, and political outrages. As a reader, I was a huge science fiction and fantasy fan, starting with my reading – entirely by accident – Frederick Brown’s novel Martians Go Home when I was in junior high. It was time I’d ever read something breezy and funny and insightful that wasn’t aimed at “younger readers.” (I don’t think the literary world had established a Young Adult category then.) As I look back at it now, I realize that it was pretty much the same tone Stan Lee used about 10 years later in what I consider Marvel’s Golden Age of Silver Age comics.

The book totally surprised and enchanted me, and so did s-f and fantasy as genres, even the more seriously written material, so when I started writing short stories a couple of years later, those were the genres I wrote in.

I’d say that during junior high and high school I probably wrote at least fifty short stories, most of which had nothing to do with me as a person but with places and situations into which I wanted to escape. Amazingly, every single one of the stories from that era was eventually published, not because of my Chicago agent but because during a six-month dry spell in my TV writing career in the late ‘60s I went through the inevitable ‘young writer saving family and bank account by writing porn’ period.

I churned out novel after novel under a name similar to that of a multiple-Emmy-winning TV writer-producer who had kept me constantly employed on various cop and medical shows, you know, the kind we now call police and medical procedurals, because I thought that was pretty damn funny. (Hey, I was a kid in my mid-twenties, for crying out loud.) The novels were intended as parodies of “real porn,” and one of them earned me a review in which the critic said “this fucking writer can’t even write a fucking sex scene,” but somehow that particular analysis got me a job as an editor of a whole line of soft core men’s mags, the publisher of which always insisted that one or two short stories be included with the photo spreads – and, believe me, they really were “spreads”. Those short stories were the ones I’d written during my teens but with sex scenes, um, inserted, you could say.

As the ‘70s and I grew up, I matured enough to want to write about ideas, beliefs, and even realities. I would gladly have put those themes into science fiction, fantasy, and porn if they still were my markets, but I was back in TV now, full bore, and at the time that mean writing episodes of Ironside, Cannon, The Bold Ones, Hawaii Five-0, Police Story, you name it and trying to make them as adult and significant as I could. It was a freelance business, and I often sold the same concept two or three times to different shows if I didn’t like the way the original versions had ended up after studio and network input and the usual production letdowns.

I loved the freelance days of TV writing because more often than not I would have several assignments at a time and as a result was making more money than those I worked for. I saw this as giving me the freedom to write the way I wanted and being able to say “Fuck you” to producers and executives who I seemed to be trying to put their imprint on my work, but in the mid-70s I finally succumbed to the hope that I would have more of a chance of protecting my writing by producing it as well and accepted a gig as producer (in the real sense of running everything and not just being a glorified story editor) on what then was generally considered the best drama on television, Police Story. And lo and behold, it turned out that a steady salary was much easier to live with than I thought it would be, and being at the studio every day – hell, just driving onto the lot – was even better than being a character in any science fiction novel of the era. What a wonderful alternate reality I lived in!

When you were a producer or showrunner, what happened if the story just wasn’t working as it was pitched in the writers’ room? Did you ever have to rewrite something from scratch or just dump the idea in that case?

On pretty much all the shows I produced, I did the job now referred to as “showrunner,” and I think I was a pretty fair boss. I only hired writers I absolutely believed in, and I believed in myself even more. That means that once we’d agreed on a concept and had an approved outline, the plot was for all practical purposes set in stone, guaranteed to work (for us, anyway). I would leave the first draft as well as any that came after in the hands of the individual writers, giving them my notes and the network notes that I believed in and just letting the writers fly with them.

We couldn’t afford to dump any script that went the distance in terms of fees, so even if ultimately I or the network thought the writers’ last script pass wasn’t what it should be I’d give the story editor one last crack at it. And if that still didn’t work I’d take over and put in however many hours it took to add whatever pizzazz was missing. Sometimes that was a hell of a lot of hours…or days…or once or twice even weeks, but I never put my name on a script I rewrote. It didn’t seem fair to play the game that way, especially when doing so would take residual money out of the original writer’s pocket and the job I was being paid for was to fix things that got broken.

I have to say, as a child of the ‘70s I’m extremely impressed that you wrote an episode of The Six Million Dollar Man. The idea that Steve Austin would work alongside Soviets and that none of them were villains was very forward-thinking for the time. Was that your idea, or did they come up with it on the show and assign it to you?

That’s a great question because on that particular occasion, I was freelancing and excited that I was actually getting to write s-f! The producers gave me a synopsis I assumed they’d written, so my job was to work out the specifics of the storyline, found it approved quickly and easily with no further suggestions, and then had a ball writing the script. After I delivered my final draft I learned that another writer had come up with the idea and written at least an outline, if not a first draft. The writer was Jimmy Sangster, who to me was a kind of legend because he’d written so many of the Hammer Studio horror films I’d grown up with.

I think that the way I learned about it was because of a credit arbitration. I don’t remember how the arbitration turned out, but I do recall being so upset with the executive producer, Harve Bennett, and the production team for not alerting me that this was officially a “rewrite” that I never worked with Bennett again. During the writing, he’d been all smiles, and when I turned in the final draft his smile was even wider as he told me how happy he was and invited me to “dance this dance again.” He called me once after the episode had been shot to talk about another one, and this time I had the big smile when I told him to go away because we’d already had our “last dance.” It was a dumb callback to his line but felt good to say.

I know you wrote some Star Trek episodes, from The Animated Series to Voyager. But you’ve talked about a bunch of pitches that you made to the Star Trek producers over the years that didn’t get picked up. What was your favorite idea for an episode that you really wanted to write for one of the Star Trek shows but weren’t able to?

Funny thing. I’ve written about all the Voyager pitches that got shot down, but the episode that I’ve always wished had made it to the air was the one I sold to Gene Roddenberry and Dorothy Fontana for TAS. As originally pitched, it was quite simply, “The Enterprise discovers God in the far reaches of space.” It was the kind of thing Gene loved, possibly because of his own God complex, who knows?

NBC turned it down because of their fear of alienating Christians all over the country, but Gene didn’t give up. He came back with, “Okay, okay, but what if instead of God, Kirk and the others come face to face with the devil?” and they give him an ovation for that.

As a result of the devil episode, called The Magicks of Megas-Tu, Gene Roddenberry and I grew close. He became a mentor to me, and my earliest staff gig was his story editor for a show he was doing with Universal, called Genesis II. In the end, the original version of that series never got beyond the pilot stage, although later it metamorphed into ST: The Next Generation.

By the time TNG came out, I’d established myself as a producer, so Gene offered me the producer job there. The offer was contingent on only one thing – that I write a sample episode of the series first. However, it turned out that he’d also offered that same job to a dozen other top-ranked writers, as a way of getting us to write scripts for the show, and all of us turned it down.

You worked on a lot of comic book-related shows, such as Todd McFarlane’s Spawn, Silver Surfer, and a couple of Spider-Man series. How did that come about? Were you always a comic book fan, or was it just a result of your TV writing experience?

I was a huge comic book fan. My first published work was a poem in a neighborhood newspaper on the North Side of Chicago, but my second was a letter in an early issue of Spider-Man. I was even active in early comics fandom for a couple of years and won a Shazam Award for fan fiction. The runner-up was another kid my age named George Martin. My winning story was published in The Magazine of Fantasy and Science Fiction a few years later. George followed up his fan success a few years later with some series of books that HBO called The Game of Thrones.

Throughout the ‘70s and ‘80s I wrote quite a bit of material based on my love for comics. You know, little things like a baddie on the series Cannon who was a comic book artist. I remember that I described the character in the comic as wear the “usual long underwear,” assuming that everyone in the world knew that meant he was in a superhero costume, only to discover when Quinn Martin happily sent me the artwork used on the air that they’d literally shown a closeup of a man wearing genuine long underwear. And it was baggy to boot.

My ultimate road to becoming a head writer (God forbid the animation companies of that era should ever call anyone but an artist the producer) of TV animation was quite indirect. In 1991, I woke up one morning and found myself re-examining my life. At 46ish, I’d accomplished everything I’d ever wanted to, except finish the novel I’d sold to Ace books over twenty years ago, but instead of being able to celebrate it, I felt miserable.

My most recent experience co-creating and co-running a series had been a disaster. I’m not going to name the show or those involved in it other than to say that the head of the company was a non-television guy who bragged about having been a big-time drug dealer. Not my favorite lifestyle, you know? I’d left that show and the money I believed it owed me for work already done, because I absolutely couldn’t – and believe me, I mean COULDN’T in boldfaced, all caps italics bear the idea of working in showbiz again.

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Look, Ma! “Gravity City” Interviews Larry Brody Part 1

(Gotta admit it. I love this pic from Gravity City Mag #3)

Christopher Valin, a wonderful editor/writer from Gravity City Digital Magazine, has honored me with an interview in the third issue of the mag. And I felt even more honored when I read this blurb by Christopher and his partner in digital crime, Artie Cabrera:

“Gravity City asked legendary writer-producer Larry Brody about his storied career in television and other media and got back one of the most entertaining interviews we’ve ever read.”

What knocks me out the most about what they said is that I didn’t even have to pay anybody anything to write the kind of thing about me that I’ve always wanted to hear.

Gravity City ran this entire 7000+ word article in one issue. Considering blog format and all that, I’m reprinting over three separate posts. Here’s Part 1:

larry brody Interview

Christopher J. Valin

I know you’ve told this story a million times, but for our readers who aren’t familiar with it, how did you break into the business of writing for television and film?

I think I’ve told it even more often. Probably 2 million and never the same way twice. Today I’ve got a whole new version, one possibly even truer than the others, so how about if I go with that one?

I always wanted to be a writer, even before I knew how to read. I mean, it was just a given in my life. And from the first time I saw a TV show, I knew that was the kind of writing I wanted to do. It took a little while to get there though.

As a huge s-f fan (in honor of Harlan Ellison, one of my mentors, I refuse to call it sci-fi), I began writing s-f and fantasy in high school and started selling it in the early ‘60s, when I was in college, thanks to a former Yiddish Theater child star named Eddie Friedlander.

Eddie was the father of my first wife. He’d given up the acting thing because of trauma he suffered serving in the Pacific during WW2 (another great story that I would need a hell of a lot more time to tell.) He was an optometrist in Chicago, where we all lived at the time, and had a patient who was a literary agent. He told the agent that his son-in-law was trying to be a writer, and the agent gave the polite response that he’d be happy to read my work.

I sent him half a dozen short stories, and not only did he say they were “great,” he actually sent them out to the science fiction and fantasy mags of that era…and every single one of them sold. For two cents a word. He sold them so quickly that some of them ended up being published under pseudonyms so I wouldn’t be a glut on the market. Those that kept my own name all appeared in The Magazine of Fantasy and Science Fiction, which was my favorite mag at the time.

During this time, I was accepted into a University of Iowa Ph.D. program that would allow me to write a novel as my dissertation, and my wife and I moved to Iowa City. From there, I sent the agent the first 50 pages of a novel I was working on, and he sold that too. To Ace Books as one of their “Science Fiction Specials.” I was thinking of the book as genuine Vonnegut style literary fiction, but was so young and ignorant that I didn’t know I could actually tell an agent how to market it. I took the deal, but I was pissed off.

So pissed off that instead of finishing the book with success-fueled energy, I put it aside and wrote a screenplay. I’d just seen one of the earliest TV Movies – I don’t remember the name, but it was directed by Paul Wendkos, who later became a good friend of mine – and was genuinely inspired by it.

The U of Iowa had no screenwriting classes at the time. I don’t think any school did back then, and I’d never seen a screenplay, but I found a book in the university library that talked about live TV format so I decided that since this was a TV movie I would follow that.

I finished it in about a week and sent the first draft to my Chicago agent. He sent it to an agent he knew at the William Morris Agency is – OMG! What a thrill – Beverly Hills. And then he reported back to me that she loved it and wanted to talk to me.

I didn’t hesitate, not for a minute, and took the second plane ride of my life to L.A. There, the WME agent, Sylvia Hirsch, told me that she thought the script was wonderful but in the wrong format and gave me the script of Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid so I could learn what the correct format was.

She also told me that I was way overdressed for a Hollywood meeting (Yes, I had a fucking suit on because how the hell was I supposed to know I shouldn’t?!), and, most importantly, that she figured that I had as good a chance to get TV writing assignments as any of her current clients and that she’d be happy to represent me.

She may have said more, but those were the last words I heard. I went back to Iowa City, and my wife and I started packing and selling the things we couldn’t pack. She quit her job, I dropped out of school (not officially. I didn’t bother with that. I just left.), and off we went.

Within about a month, there we were in L.A., no job, no place to live, you know the drill. We stepped off the plane and went to get our luggage, and as it started coming down the ramp, a middle-aged woman standing in front of us suddenly keeled over and hit the floor. The woman beside her hunkered over the woman and screamed, “She’s dead! She’s dead! Somebody help!”

I stood there, paralyzed. The rest of the people nearby barely acknowledged what was happening. They merely stepped over the major obstacles – the dead woman and her friend – and stepped around the minor obstacles—my wife and me—and got their luggage.

Welcome to Hollywood,” said a voice in my head.

But, yeah, there I was, in Hollywood. Totally bewildered…and totally certain I was on my way.

I’m fascinated by the fact that you met with Jim Morrison while working on the script for a film he was supposed to star in. Can you talk about that meeting and what you thought about him?

Ah, the Jim Morrison situation. It’s part of the origin story, but you’ll have to be patient. I promise I’ll get there.

The name of the TV movie script that I’d written in the wrong format was Orion, and after our first night in L.A., which we spent at a cheesy motel on, I think, Fairfax, called The Farmer’s Daughter (and where I got my second big “Welcome!” because the room we were in – the Honeymoon Suite, no less – turned out to be the exact place where the only porno movie I’d ever seen in my life had been shot and the woman behind the desk turned out – you probably just guessed it – to be the female star of that woebegone piece of risible trash) after that first night the wife and I went looking for an apartment and ended up in North Hollywood, where we saw the third great welcoming sign: A real sign that said “Orion Apartments.” That and the fact that it was almost affordable made it clear that it was the place for me to board my rocket to stardom, so that’s where we moved in–

And met an out of work actor named Sammy Jackson, who lived there, spending his days lounging by the pool, drinking red wine, and surrounded by young women who wanted to give him blowjobs.

Why did they want to blow him? Because they all were aspiring starlets and he’d starred in a sitcom called No Time for Sergeants, playing the role Andy Griffith had in the film version. Why was he lounging around the pool getting drunk instead of going to work every day? Because the show was now canceled, Sammy’s fiancee had left him, and Sammy was heartbroken and doing his best to fill his life with others he hoped could mend it.

When Sammy Jackson heard I had come to L.A. to be a TV writer he smiled knowingly and offered to help. He still knew a lot of producers, he said, and they were always asking him to bring them projects he could star in. So if I were to, say, create a sitcom tailored for his TV persona, he would be happy to show it around.

So I did. I’d read the original novel version of No Time for Sergeants, seen the TV special that brought Andy Griffith to the world’s attention, seen the film version, and even a few episodes of Sammy’s series, and I made use of all that I’d learned to write a non-science fiction short story (probably shorter than these answers) that gave Sammy a smile as wide as I imagined those wannabe starlets’ blowjobs did. I also rewrote my Orion film so it was formatted properly and gave him that as well.

And, oh the glory of being so welcomed to L.A. and Hollywood and showbiz, the first producer he showed it to, Sam Katzman (who’d risen to prominence as the producer of Superman cartoons and Republic serials and at that time was producing an Elvis Presley film at MGM), called me in for a meeting where we made a deal in which he optioned the spec and the short story for Sammy and hired me to write a cheapo feature called The Rise and Fall of a Rock and Roll Star. The project had a director (a very kindly man about ten years older than my parents which made him seem even older to me than the woman who’d died waiting for her luggage at LAX) an outline written by that very director, and a star they were considering attaching.

A guy they’d never met and barely heard of by the name of Jim Morrison, who was rumored to be hot. Not super hot, by Hollywood movie standards, but hot enough for the B movie. They were going to make.

Sylvia Hirsch had no idea who Jim Morrison was, but she was very, very pleased when the MGM business affairs guy called her to make the deal. She got me genuine option money, not the hundred dollar variety that was the thing at the time, and WGAW minimum for the screenplay.

I, who did indeed understand as much about Jim Morrison as anyone in their early twenties at that time did, was more than pleased. I was ecstatic. I worked with Arthur Dreifus everyday for about a month, and together we molded his very, very, very, very old-fashioned concept (it was kind of like the silent Al Jolson version of The Jazz Singer combined with recent headlines about a pop star named Jimmy Rogers who’d suffered major brain damage after having had the crap beaten out of him because – it was rumored – he’d tried to get out of a deal with his mobster agent, with its main character being the one Anglo guy who became a star after double-crossing his Puerto Rican bandmates and, of course, was brutally murdered by his mobster agent) into a tolerable vehicle for Mr. Morrison.

What? You’ve never heard of this film? Well, of course not. Mr. Morrison was never approved as the star. In fact, to my knowledge no one ever was approved for any role, and that was that.

Except that because I’d been hired by a real live film studio to write a script for a real live rock star, Sylvia Hirsch was able to turn me into the hottest new TV writer in town. After I’d been up and at ‘em in L.A./Hollywood for a total of three months.

At the time, I thought I was a genius. I mean, talk about “the rise of…!” And I continued to think that for the next twentyish years.

Now – and this is the point of telling this story this way – I understand the truth. I was just amazingly, awesomely, and absolutely, uncontrovertably lucky.

My father-in-law knew a literary agent. Luck, yeah?

My literary agent knew one of the top TV agents in the world. Luck, for sure.

My TV agent told me what she told all of her clients…that she was pretty sure she could get me work and then actually did!

She did it after I met a fallen star who said he had connections and actually did. And his connections were, it turned out, looking for a young writer who had the energy and excitement to work his butt off on an outline that anyone with any experience or sense would have sneered at disdainfully and thrown away. But, hot damn, she did it.

Moral of this story: Showbiz isn’t about being a genius or even being all that talented (although I still think I did have some ability back then), it’s about all the right coincidences converging in the right place and time and then riding the rocket they make as high and far and fast as you can. It’s about putting yourself out there, taking a risk and, yes, working your ass off, even it takes longer than three months.

Oh, wait, your question was about Jim Morrison and meeting him and how much or why or whatever I liked him or hated him or didn’t care about him. Sorry, but I’m just plain not going to answer that.

However, I will tell you about a rumor I recently heard, said rumor implying that – guess what, everybody – Mr. Morrison is in fact still alive and living in hiding somewhere in the south of France. And his current lady friend, a 47 – no, wait a minute, she just turned 48 – year old event planner from France, got stuck here in the good old U.S.A. a few months ago while visiting relatives when COVID-19 reared its horrifying (or maybe mythical, who the fuck knows?) head.

Said rumor goes on to intimate that Ms. Event Planner currently is camped out in a refurbished glamping tent near the backyard of a certain aging TV writer who some say was in Ray Manzarek’s house in Laurel Canyon listening intently as the song L.A. Woman was written by Messers Manzarek and Morison. And, hell yes, I think Jim Morrison was a hell of a talented guy and smart guy, and probably would absolutely be dead and forgotten today if The Rise and Fall of a Rock and Roll Singer had ever been made with him as its star.

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Poetry Lesson

Inasmuch as we’ve been talking about poetry here lately (well, I have anyway) here’s the latest and possibly the shortest, of Grant Snider’s marvelously illustrated poem/cartoons:

(Grant Snider & Incidental Comics strike again – right into the heart of creativity!)

One Acme Ton’O’Creative Beauty from Grant Snider can be found at Incidental Comics – HERE



“Whatever Happened to ‘We?'”

I’ve been asking myself this question awhile now, mostly while reading recent novels where “they” suddenly crops up in a description and it takes me by surprise, throws me out of the writer’s spell, and makes me start questioning myself, my education, and my motives.

It’s pretty clear from this cartoon, that Gary Trudeau and the rest of the Doonesbury gang have been considering the word and the situation and the times we live in much more thoroughly than I ever could.

Because, as you’ll see here in this strip published Sunday, November 6th, they’ve come to the perfect conclusion.

(Doonesbury by Garry Trudeau for November 06, 2022 via GoComics.Com)

When sarcasm/irony work, they really work!

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